TnT in ProFic (Spoiler Discussion)

[Honeybee]

Moving this over the the temp forum. Reanok wrote:

I was reading another discussion at another board and I wish we gotten some more scenes of Trip&T'Pol in the last novel. I really liked what they portrayed the relationship but I also think alot of the fanfic stories add alot more depth to the characters and their relationship. I also wish we'd also gotten more story interaction with the Enterpise crew would've been nice I know that Micheal Martin has alot of details to deal with The Romulan war but I think it would be a good idea to show more of the Vulcan/Romulan intigue and the Andorians.More of Valdore plotting and Planning.Any thoughts or ideas you would've like to have seen in the Enterprise novels?

I was particularly frustrated with that conversation, since I think that Martin, in particular, made the TnT romance a pretty big part of the last book. Yes, it was frustrating that they were separated after realizing they are essentially married and meant to be with one another. However, I think Martin was setting them up with a whole lovers-torn-apart-by-war for the next book, and his hands are tied by the fact that Trip can't ever surface.

Since I know how hard Clark and Martin and Mangels fought to reunite TnT in the books, it always feels a little disingenuous when idiots start bitching and moaning because profic doesn't read like gushy romantic fanfic or doesn't exactly mold with what they want.

I had my problems with the RW book (Hey, Gannet Brooks, did you happen to eat the main crew?). But I did think the TnT romance was as romantic, sexual and as much a part of the plot - the bond is after a key factor in Trip figuring out that he has a memory loss - as you can expect in profic.

[THE Rigil Kent]

I actually haven't bothered with either of the two most recent books because I was simply unable to stomach TGMTD. It was a perfect example - IMHO, of course - of the characters being forced into the plot as opposed to them reacting organically to the events. The whole "Spy!Trip" thing just doesn't do it for me in this case, and the explanation they gave caused me to roll my eyes.

So because of that, I didn't read KM or TRW. Alas, that means I cannot respond to the TnT subplot you indicated, but with what they showed in LFM, I find it hard to believe that a happy ending is really in the works. *shrug*

Alas...

[Honeybee]

Well, you'll find a happy home over at TriS for the ripping apart of the fics Rigil. There's plenty of people who spew venom with great happiness and glee. It's sport over there. And you'll find most of them have not bothered reading them either.

But for those of us who have read the latest book - it's very nice to have a place to discuss them without having to defend having done so.

[THE Rigil Kent]

Well, you'll find a happy home over at TriS for the ripping apart of the fics Rigil. There's plenty of people who spew venom with great happiness and glee. It's sport over there. And you'll find most of them have not bothered reading them either.

Uh ... you'll note I didn't actually comment on the subplot since I didn't read the books in question. And I didn't intend for my remark to be perceived as an attack, so if that's how you took it, I apologize.

[Honeybee]

Oh, you didn't offend at all, Rigil! But in the context of the bashing-thread at the other place, I wanted to make sure that this thread remained safe for those wanting to discuss the text.

[THE Rigil Kent]

Ah. Groovy.

[Glory1863]

Oh, you didn't offend at all, Rigil! But in the context of the bashing-thread at the other place, I wanted to make sure that this thread remained safe for those wanting to discuss the text.

The thing is, Honeybee, that because I consider TGTMD and KM to be just OK (a nice solid C) instead of an A+ greatest thing since indoor plumbing, I feel my opinion really isn't welcome here. My short experience here has already taught me that it's not safe to voice anything other than unqualified love for the relaunch books. From my perspective it's not a true discussion of the good, the bad and the just kind of strange that's wanted but a cheerleading session. That's no more satisfying or intellectually honest than the "hate" thread going on elsewhere.

I get that the authors worked hard on the books. I get that they had to follow rules. I also get that that is probably true of most authors and that that alone doesn't make every book great.

Just so you understand, I personally know one of the authors of a DS9 book. She taught a class on Philosophy Through Science Fiction through the local community college. She was an inspiring teacher who consistently had good class attendance and class participation. She introduced me to a number of authors whom I have come to enjoy (and yes, some of their books are better than others, too). She was already a published author (vampires before vampires were cool), and really wanted to do a Star Trek book. Some years later, I found her DS9 book at B&N. I bought it immediately. I was (and still am) thrilled for her, but I also consider her book to be a good solid C, just like the relaunch Enterprise books. There are some things I like about it, and some that I don't. And strangely enough, she actually understands that.

[crystalswolf]

Glory, I don't think HB wants a cheer session, but rather avoid a situation where people pop into the thread only to voice their dislike of the books. In general, it's just wise that if someone cannot find anything at all they like about the subject, don't enter the thread.

A full discussion should include not only the negative and not only the positive, but both.

An example is that this wouldn't be acceptable if someone were to enter one of the ship forums only to say how much they did not like the relationship. Same here with the books.

I hope this explains things appropriately, it's late and the brain is a bit foggy.

[Honeybee]

Okay, people -

Here's the thing. Another poster started this thread on the other forum with a very specific purpose in mind - to have an alternative to a thread on another board that is doing nothing but bashing and bashing and bashing. So, essentially she wanted a positive discussion of the TnT aspects of the books and she has every right to have a thread that does that if she wants it.

You can express dislike of the books down in the fic section, as long as it's not sneering, rude, personally attacks the authors or uses charged language. Unfortunately, on some other boards profic bashing is a sport and it can get unpleasant.

And Glory, for the record, nearly every post I have posted on the relaunch books has contained criticism of them. Unqualified love is just as boring as declaring you won't read something to a group of people who are trying to discuss it.

Now, it seems that Reanok's thread needs locking and let's start this again.