the delphic expanse

Discuss Vanishing Point here!

Some thoughts:

This is a whole different episode if you watch it knowing most of the action is in Hoshi's head. In fact, the cast is all acting slightly off - especially Phlox - in the early dream sequence. There are subtle hints that something is wrong, if you are paying attention.

We noticed in the rewatch thread that there are an awful lot of intense Hoshi/Trip scenes. My guess is that they were testing them together to see if there was a spark. I think there was a little one, but not the massive one when TnT are together. Still, I'm sure it was perhaps a test. They gaze at each other a few times.

Hoshi's Dad behaves very odd - which makes sense when you know it is a dream. I wonder why her Mom did not appear.

I liked the Morse code (Samuel Morse is a great, great, great Uncle of mine).

I definitely noticed the vague undercurrent of Trip/Hoshi in this episode (but, then again, I'm rather fond of that 'ship ).

Good episode.

I agree. I saw the Trip/Hoshi spark, too. To me, though, the most interesting part was when Hoshi thought she'd overslept and then had to leave the bridge rather than translate during the hostage situation. Then she finds out that one of her subordinates has easily done the job that she could not do. Her old insecurities about belonging aboard Enterprise really seemed to come back there. Still, when she gets back on the transporter platform we see that, despite her fears, she's willing to do what it takes to help her crew. (Off topic, but your avatar is hilarious, Hummingbird!)

I fully agree, Brandyjane. By the way, I got my Avatar on this site in the Avatar/Icon city thread.

I really liked this episode. The scene when Archer talks to Hoshi's father stood out for me. What really struck me at first sight, that Hoshi's father is wearing a kimono. This days, Japanese men hardly ever kimono's - maybe only on their wedding day and at home they certainly don't wear a official kimono, but like most Japanese people a sort of pajama-kimono.
Not that I didn't like the kimono. It looked awesome.
The response of Hoshi's father is rather weird too. Both with the kimono and his response, he comes across very strict. Maybe this is how Hoshi feels about her father in her dream?

Again, this is one of those episodes that's really two episodes. It's the one you watch not knowing it is a hallucination (not really a dream, technically) and it's the one you watch when you know it is a hallucination and that everyone is behaving off kilter, including Hoshi's dad. Maybe he still only wears kimonos on special occasions, but Hoshi's subconscious would think learning of her death would be such an occasion. Although, his rudeness about the whole thing is a big hint that something is off. I don't picture Hoshi's father being so acrimonious towards Archer under any circumstances.

I think you can compare this one to Doctor's Orders, when we have a dream/hallucination version of T'Pol who, in hindsight, is off kilter.

Honeybee wrote:This is a whole different episode if you watch it knowing most of the action is in Hoshi's head. In fact, the cast is all acting slightly off - especially Phlox - in the early dream sequence. There are subtle hints that something is wrong, if you are paying attention.

You know, I never really thought about this until it was mentioned here. The very first time I saw this episode, I didn't care much for it. Maybe I was picking up that some of the characters were a little off from what they were supposed to be. But subsequent viewings, knowing going in that Hoshi was hallucinating, made the way they were acting make some sense.

panyasan wrote:I really liked this episode. The scene when Archer talks to Hoshi's father stood out for me. What really struck me at first sight, that Hoshi's father is wearing a kimono. This days, Japanese men hardly ever kimono's - maybe only on their wedding day and at home they certainly don't wear a official kimono, but like most Japanese people a sort of pajama-kimono.
Not that I didn't like the kimono. It looked awesome.
The response of Hoshi's father is rather weird too. Both with the kimono and his response, he comes across very strict. Maybe this is how Hoshi feels about her father in her dream?

What I found interesting about this scene was how Archer starts out by saying he and the crew consider Hoshi family and Hoshi's father gets hung up on this fact so much that he gets agitated and doesn't seem to follow where Archer's going with the conversation...even going so far as to suggest Archer called him just to specifically tell him about it. I wonder if Hoshi feels guilty about being so far from her parents/family. Also, why would Hoshi imagine this moment without her mother being there? Was it an attempt to draw a parallel between her father and Archer as a father figure?