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(1x06) Dig This: Terra Nova!

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(1x06) Dig This: Terra Nova!

Postby entkayjay » Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:41 pm

This is the discussion thread for S1E6, Terra Nova! All Delphic Expanse rules of engagement apply.

Written by: Rick Berman and Brannon Braga
Teleplay by: Antoinette Stella (also produced 11 episodes during S1 and S2)
Directed by: Levar Burton :ugeek: (Cogenitor, Fortunate Son, First Flight, Extinction, Similitude, The Forgotten, The Augments, Demons)

There is a Rewatch Chat scheduled for 1:00am GMT (WEDNESDAY March 2) in either the chat forum here if our local magicians manage to make it appear, or at Tinychat.com (instructions and live link will be posted in the Live Chat Information Thread). Or whenever anyone else wants to watch and chat!

(Note: I'm constantly finding new things to discuss here... I'm now including the teleplay writer because concept (mostly B&B) and execution can be two different things and make a huge difference... I'll be adding to an couple of episodes we've already rewatched since I discovered Mike Sussman et al wrote the teleplay for Strange New World. So watch for that to pop up.)
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Re: (1x06) Insert Witty Title Here Later: Terra Nova!

Postby Glory1863 » Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:52 pm

How about "Dig This." Sorry, I couldn't resist. I kind of like those armadillo-like digger things. :mrgreen:
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Re: (1x06) Dig This: Terra Nova!

Postby entkayjay » Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:00 pm

BRILLIANT!

I knew there was a wordplay somewhere in there, brain isn't engaging lately...

PROPS TO GLORY!
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Re: (1x06) Dig This: Terra Nova!

Postby Aquarius » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:32 pm

KTR--when are you going to rewatch with us???

Part of the fun we're having is seeing how we feel about it now, after time has passed. Plus watching in the group chat and seeing what other people say is a lot of fun! You should come sometime--even the not-so-favorite episodes are fun that way. 8-)
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Re: (1x06) Dig This: Terra Nova!

Postby Honeybee » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:41 pm

It really is fun to rewatch and see if your perceptions change. This is one that was better than I remembered. The crew interactions are all really nice, and characters are starting to develop. Travis still gets lots of lines. T'Pol can insult and compliment humans in one pithy sentence. Malcolm loves guns. (Shout out to the Archer/Reed people, that post rescue reunion moment is lovely.)

The only thing I would have liked to improve is the whole pinned by a tree rescue plot. I thought the early mystery scenes and the communication with the Novan scenes were pretty strong. I remember recognizing the lost colony at Roanoke as inspiration the first time around, too. However, I thought while the first two thirds felt strong, the tree part actually felt pretty standard and would have liked it to play out in a less - "we have to work together" way - since that didn't feel so fresh.

But, overall, better than I remember, especially for those crew interaction moments. And, Jon needs to keep his crew away from caves. The Rock People were real this time!
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Re: (1x06) Dig This: Terra Nova!

Postby Aquarius » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:00 pm

Being that I'm currently in a linguistics class, I especially had an appreciation for the evolution of English in the Novan colinists' descendants. Since language is a function of culture, I liked the attention to detail with idioms like "bury your tracks" and the like--your language evolves to reflect your life and your environment, much like how we now say "Facebook me later" or "I googled that"and how those idioms reflect what's important in our culture now.

When the Welcome mat gets flipped over--did anyone else have flashbacks to those mats that used to say "Go Away"??? :lol:
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Re: (1x06) Dig This: Terra Nova!

Postby Honeybee » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:03 pm

No, but I thought of mats that say "Beware of Dog"!
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Re: (1x06) Dig This: Terra Nova!

Postby entkayjay » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:10 pm

I still need to watch the episode and make my comments... sorry I missed the rewatch, was out to an early farewell dinner with my son.

I do want to make a general Enterprise-fandom comment, though, based on my experience and my feelings.

I was very excited by Enterprise in 2001, after being outside of Trek fandom, and any fandom in general, for a good decade. (I was a mundane, lordy!) It was nice to be able to get back to the squee, and looking forward to new stuff and neat characters and interesting stories. I found a great group of people to follow along with from the very beginning; they influenced my writing and supported me.

Sometime around these eps now in the first season, people began to be complain-y. *shrugs* Not everyone is going to like everything in a show, and some people are going to be turned off by whatever and leave and not come back. Words were tossed around, opinions shared as fact, and repeated ad nauseum. That, along with the general negative Trek-fandom screeching of how awful the concept of the show was even before it aired began to seep into the discussions on a regular basis. Some fans went to early conventions and were a bit put off by some of the actors' antics (not namin' names, lol!), so it colored their perception of what had been a favorite character. They were sure to share all that negativity with the budding Enterprise fandom.

Oh yay. :roll:

All that coupled with my inability to watch the show on first-run (my UPN station ran eps five days later at 11:30 at night!) meant that my squee began to consistently get harshed. I started to avoid fandom discussions for almost a whole week until I got to see the episode, because I began to realize that I didn't see the episodes in the same way as many others did, and hearing how disappointed they were in an episode, or how stupid a character was, really took away my personal enjoyment of the show. I went into it thinking it wouldn't be very good, and then found that I liked it but felt like shit during most of my viewing.

I'm so happy to be able to do a rewatch with people who actually do appreciate the show after ten years, including people who didn't see it the first go-round, those who took four years to cycle through the whole thing, and those who mainline it by DVD in a week's time. Much more enjoyable, there isn't that element of sneering disdain for everything related to Enterprise, and I can see new stuff both through my own eyes and through the eyes of others. What a joy!

Is it perfect? Oh hell no. Could some characters have been developed better? Of course. Were there inconsistencies from episode to episode, and Trek to Trek? Well, it's a television show; no matter how fervent Trek fandom is over a forty year span, actors/writers/producers are not going to be able to answer the question, "In episode 457, when the Horta is melding with Mr. Spock, what was its thought process in communicating with a carbon-based life form and how did it affect the rest of its race?" We as fans get terribly caught up in what we want to see and how we want to see it, and end up losing out on the overall enjoyment of a show because one or two thorns stick in our sides. And in the process, if we are loose with our words and use "charged language" as has been mentioned here at the Expanse, it can also affect our fellow fans, something that we Enterprise fen have banded together to get away from in other Trek venues.

Everyone has opinions (like orifices), and they are entitled to them. I want to hear them all, because I learn from them. I also want to express mine. But I have learned over time that the perfect is the enemy of the good, and I want to take care in how I express myself in a fannish venue in order to not harsh someone else's squee as much as I am able. Because it wasn't a pleasant experience for me the first time around, and I don't want to contribute to someone else's disappointing experience with this relationship between people who enjoy a common experience -- otherwise known as fandom.

My two cents, and worth just as much. We now return you to your regularly scheduled rewatch discussion!
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Re: (1x06) Dig This: Terra Nova!

Postby Aquarius » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:00 am

You betcha, kayjay! I think it should be understood that this is all in the spirit of loving the show for what it is, and not bitching about what we can't change.

Plus there are two operative words here:

1. REWATCH
2. PAR-TAY.

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Re: (1x06) Dig This: Terra Nova!

Postby asearcher » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:16 am

Hi...

I tried to post this earlier but for some reason it didn't take. Oh well.

Anyways...I want to second (or third, or fourth, or whatever number we're up to) how fun the rewatch is. Getting together with everyone is great and discussing the various things is a blast. Tonight's was no different.

Could the story have been better written? Yeah. But it wasn't that bad either. It did present it's message...and we did see things like the reversion to thing ala "Lord of the Flies." We also got to see Travis's eagerness, Phlox the first time on a planet, Jon's angst at the situation (note to self...caves can be bad news), Malcolm's situation (eating digger wasn't his favorite activity), Trip needing to build something to get the shuttle pod out of the caves, and T'Pol's unique style and always logical POV.

As to Miri in TOS...I always liked that show if for no other reason than Kirk showed that he had ethics in the realm of his libido. When Miri came onto him, he rebuffed her. He wasn't into pubescent girls even if he had nothing against human-alien encounters of the oh-la-la kind.

So looking forward to next week's viewing! :cheering
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